Stephen Jenner post=6492 wrote: [quote=Stephen Sweeney post=6477]Stephen J, that grinder has 68mm burrs if I am not mistaken turning @ 500rpm so it is slow speed machine. What grinder did you have before, since this one apparently makes you happier??
BTW, as Reiss stated, nice marble bench top! Be careful with carbonated drinks but you probably already know that; but it sure looks good :-)
Stephen, I had the 63rd HG One Grinder that was made...
I wore my right arm out and sold it... I already had a knackered Super Jolly, and I just muddled through with that for the few months that it took to settle on the Nino. The difference between the SJ and the Nino was unbelievable, and I am not known for being a specialist when it comes to detecting flavours and other nuances.
The L1 desperately needs a clean, but it always seems to be hot and in use! I have chosen to buy an espresso blend as my staple coffee... James Hoffman's Sweetshop, which is a natural and a washed Ethiopian 50/50. I might change in the future, and in the past I would normally have bought one of Reiss' single estates that he roasts so exquisitely... Never mind.
Anyway, the combination and the minimalism are making me a very happy bunny.
BTW: That isn't marble I am afraid... That is a plastic laminate and it is pretty old... I am currently deciding whether to extend the kitchen, or just refit it, so it will have to do for now.
Interesting to note that the SJ is inferior to the Nino! Do you think build quality/parallel burrs or grind speed can attribute toward the difference?
You sure are correct about finding a bean/blend that you like and then using it to satisfy your morning needs helps make for a good day :-)
Plastic counter tops are pretty good, imho, and white in particular since you can see the dirt and clear it away. The only other counter I really like is a light, hard maple, butcher block counter top.
I don't really know whether what I was detecting was to do with burr type/quality...
Rather, it was much more to do with the SJ being (technical term here) knackered...
I don't think that the burrs ran that true.
Of course, there is the flat vs conical business too, but in the case of the SJ, the burrs are small, 63mm?... Compared to Reiss's monster... He mentions in his comments earlier that burr size is massively important regarding the flats... Presumably with burrs that are substantially bigger, I am not sure of the maths, but it is a lot more than double I seem to remember... less time for the coffee to heat up under the high speed.
Salvatore Taibi post=6488 wrote: No problem! I'm so busy, I only check the new threads periodically. I saw your post at the head of this thread and immediately thought back to the discussions concerning TiN burrs, crankspeed, etc. I always found it insane when folks were talking about grinding for minutes, in excess of 60 revolutions (or more!!). I was curious if you're timing was due to your somewhat "cranky" shoulder or perhaps you were doing it intentionally. Of course, now I understand I was way off base.
I'm using the original 83mm burrs. I say original because I purchased my HG-One very early in the game. I just did a quick test, and it took me 20 revs to grind 15.1g. It took right around 10 seconds. I'll check a few more times, but I think those numbers are probably fairly consistent.
I change beans between shots, throughout the day, therefore the HG-One is perfect for my needs. I have to admit, however, Reiss has my interest piqued!!
The number of turns to grind a specific dose is very different than the crank speed. With the motor with a set rpm of 60rpm then it is just the burrs and roast level of the beans being the variables in the time it takes to grind that same dose.
You must have the regular 83mm burrs NOT the TiN burrs. I could not believe the endless cranking to get that done so the regular burrs were for me :-) Plus arthritis forced me to give up and go motor. Zero regrets.
Now, if I had the money I would get an EK43 and chop the base down to fit that big beast under the cabinet uppers and have a grinder for a home and not something for a warehouse.
Stephen, no they are certainly NOT the TiN burrs. I wasn't sure if they were "bead blasted," though.
It's nice to remove some of the variables for comparison. I know the speed, for me, stays fairly consistent. My entire routine is very rigid, and by the clock it probably takes me, give or take a second or two, the same time to grind, prep and pull a shot.
I did a few quick tests, and it appears I'm around 140rpm. These were done with no beans in the grinder, closing my eyes and using the normal sensations to guide me. If I take my 20 turns/10sec with beans, that comes out to roughly 120rpm. For the sake of averages, it would put me somewhere in 120-140rpm.
Thanks Salvatore! You must be young and in great shape or at least a very fit older man for those speeds, but it does give the reasons for the quick times in getting that quantity of beans ground.
I timed my arm a few times (old and beat up arm) and it was 60rpm so that was where I aimed my motor search.
I used to reckon that I yielded 1 gram (variable according to grind of course) from 1 turn of the handle, and each turn would take around 1 second... I had the HG One bolted to the surface.
So 18 grams in 18 seconds roughly.
83mm burrset.
Now it takes me a push of the PF handle and a 4 second wait....
Great shape? No question. Young? I wish. Haha! Older than some, younger than others. I guess that's called middle aged.
I am happy with my routine and the results from the LI are, to my palate, superb. I couldn't be happier. The simplicity speaks for itself. Occasionally I ponder some of the nuances surrounding the variables, however, and grind speed is one of them. I'm not sure if there is an ideal rpm, or perhaps a range where the differences become pronounced. I wish I had access to a variety of grinders to try, but it's tough to get in with the "local" crowd when we move so often.
Speaking of which, we're heading to Hawaii in the spring. Might I have the only Londinium in the islands?? I'm interested to see how the different climate affects the HG-One, and therefore, the result in the cup.
Stephen J., that is a good measure. Perhaps I'll take a look and see what I am producing per revolution. Interesting.
Paul, the E37s should be a real nice grinder with those larger burrs. I had the E37 and the electronics were it's weak point even though it had 64 or 65mm burrs I believe. It was quiet and fit under the cabinet uppers nicely.
Stephen Sweeney post=6544 wrote: Paul, the E37s should be a real nice grinder with those larger burrs. I had the E37 and the electronics were it's weak point even though it had 64 or 65mm burrs I believe. It was quiet and fit under the cabinet uppers nicely.
Yes, after you mentioned if a couple of times I started to look into it and everything I've read so far is very positive.
UPDATE: Unfortunately, Ceado isn't available in Canada so WLL is the only option in North America. Even if I was willing to chance WLL, they don't carry the black version which I think looks the best. I checked into dealing with Ceado directly but their shipping rates aren't cost effective (Reiss gets awesome rates!) unless I wanted to buy a pallet of grinders.
Paul Marshall post=6545 wrote: [quote=Stephen Sweeney post=6544]Paul, the E37s should be a real nice grinder with those larger burrs. I had the E37 and the electronics were it's weak point even though it had 64 or 65mm burrs I believe. It was quiet and fit under the cabinet uppers nicely.
Yes, after you mentioned if a couple of times I started to look into it and everything I've read so far is very positive.
UPDATE: Unfortunately, Ceado isn't available in Canada so WLL is the only option in North America. Even if I was willing to chance WLL, they don't carry the black version which I think looks the best. I checked into dealing with Ceado directly but their shipping rates aren't cost effective (Reiss gets awesome rates!) unless I wanted to buy a pallet of grinders.
What you are talking about is a "Group Buy" directly from Ceado? Interesting thought but are there enough people in Canada that would want one in BLACK?
Stephen Sweeney post=7554 wrote: What you are talking about is a "Group Buy" directly from Ceado? Interesting thought but are there enough people in Canada that would want one in BLACK?
I'm doubtful if there are enough people and it just seems like too much of a hassle anyway. I may just have to wait until I can afford the Terranova machine.
Not sure. I have purchased from them before and would do so again.....But...they are not all that consistent and meticulous about posting specs and so on. I usually go to the manufacturers sites for that kind of stuff.
Yeah, I noticed that too. They used to sell Ceado and then stopped for while but I guess they are adding them again. These guys are the Canadian version of WLL so some people have bad experiences and others are happy. Given the earlier issues with Ceado's electrical and my previous experience with this retailer, I won't be buying from them. If I decided to buy a mass produced grinder, I think Compak would be the best bet and perhaps the E10.
Don't be surprised if we add them to our line up at some point
They are very good grinders, with their own burr set and i am told, machined and set to tight tolerances
At some point i will send one or two down to the bottom of the world here to play with and see if i can make the numbers work
They have a floating burr that compensates for the thermal expansion of the shaft as the motor transmits heat up the shaft, and whilst this is less of an issue in a domestic setting it is a significant issue for a commercial environment
They are also really decent guys to deal with and are a small independent manufacturer
The E37s sure has all the things that a home owner would want. It fits under the kitchen cabinet uppers, with mini hopper, and it is quiet. It is also easy to clean and put back together without need to re-zero.
I had the E37, smaller burred version of the E37s, and only had one electrical problem that I am sure Ceado has fixed by now.
The biggest problem I had was with the retailer in the USA and their business practices. Reiss, you have an impeccable business ethic and if you start selling these grinders it will be welcome news to me!
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I had the 63rd HG One Grinder that was made...
I wore my right arm out and sold it... I already had a knackered Super Jolly, and I just muddled through with that for the few months that it took to settle on the Nino. The difference between the SJ and the Nino was unbelievable, and I am not known for being a specialist when it comes to detecting flavours and other nuances.
The L1 desperately needs a clean, but it always seems to be hot and in use! I have chosen to buy an espresso blend as my staple coffee... James Hoffman's Sweetshop, which is a natural and a washed Ethiopian 50/50. I might change in the future, and in the past I would normally have bought one of Reiss' single estates that he roasts so exquisitely... Never mind.
Anyway, the combination and the minimalism are making me a very happy bunny.
BTW: That isn't marble I am afraid... That is a plastic laminate and it is pretty old... I am currently deciding whether to extend the kitchen, or just refit it, so it will have to do for now.
Interesting to note that the SJ is inferior to the Nino! Do you think build quality/parallel burrs or grind speed can attribute toward the difference?
You sure are correct about finding a bean/blend that you like and then using it to satisfy your morning needs helps make for a good day :-)
Plastic counter tops are pretty good, imho, and white in particular since you can see the dirt and clear it away. The only other counter I really like is a light, hard maple, butcher block counter top.
Thanks for the info :-)
Rather, it was much more to do with the SJ being (technical term here) knackered...
I don't think that the burrs ran that true.
Of course, there is the flat vs conical business too, but in the case of the SJ, the burrs are small, 63mm?... Compared to Reiss's monster... He mentions in his comments earlier that burr size is massively important regarding the flats... Presumably with burrs that are substantially bigger, I am not sure of the maths, but it is a lot more than double I seem to remember... less time for the coffee to heat up under the high speed.
Maybe someday I will get lucky to try one of this big monsters with my roasts so I have a taste comparison.
BTW, love your Posts on water quality. Very well researched and executed.
The number of turns to grind a specific dose is very different than the crank speed. With the motor with a set rpm of 60rpm then it is just the burrs and roast level of the beans being the variables in the time it takes to grind that same dose.
You must have the regular 83mm burrs NOT the TiN burrs. I could not believe the endless cranking to get that done so the regular burrs were for me :-) Plus arthritis forced me to give up and go motor. Zero regrets.
Now, if I had the money I would get an EK43 and chop the base down to fit that big beast under the cabinet uppers and have a grinder for a home and not something for a warehouse.
I haven't mentioned this but I am just a tad envious of the fantastic work you have both been doing on the HG One...?
I suppose we are all going to have to find another hand grinder now! :evil:
It's nice to remove some of the variables for comparison. I know the speed, for me, stays fairly consistent. My entire routine is very rigid, and by the clock it probably takes me, give or take a second or two, the same time to grind, prep and pull a shot.
They call they "Bead Blasted) and I was always curious about whether you could actual;ly get one shiny :-)
I will see if I can Post a photo.
These are the 2 that I ordered from HG-One for my grinder
Thank you!
Here is the other budget option for a hand grinder.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-revolutionary-rok-coffee-grinder
I did a few quick tests, and it appears I'm around 140rpm. These were done with no beans in the grinder, closing my eyes and using the normal sensations to guide me. If I take my 20 turns/10sec with beans, that comes out to roughly 120rpm. For the sake of averages, it would put me somewhere in 120-140rpm.
I timed my arm a few times (old and beat up arm) and it was 60rpm so that was where I aimed my motor search.
Thanks again for your time :-)
So 18 grams in 18 seconds roughly.
83mm burrset.
Now it takes me a push of the PF handle and a 4 second wait....
Heaven. :woohoo:
I am happy with my routine and the results from the LI are, to my palate, superb. I couldn't be happier. The simplicity speaks for itself. Occasionally I ponder some of the nuances surrounding the variables, however, and grind speed is one of them. I'm not sure if there is an ideal rpm, or perhaps a range where the differences become pronounced. I wish I had access to a variety of grinders to try, but it's tough to get in with the "local" crowd when we move so often.
Speaking of which, we're heading to Hawaii in the spring. Might I have the only Londinium in the islands?? I'm interested to see how the different climate affects the HG-One, and therefore, the result in the cup.
Stephen J., that is a good measure. Perhaps I'll take a look and see what I am producing per revolution. Interesting.
I will test the Versalab and see how fast it produces 18g of grounds.
Thank you!
Yes, after you mentioned if a couple of times I started to look into it and everything I've read so far is very positive.
UPDATE: Unfortunately, Ceado isn't available in Canada so WLL is the only option in North America. Even if I was willing to chance WLL, they don't carry the black version which I think looks the best. I checked into dealing with Ceado directly but their shipping rates aren't cost effective (Reiss gets awesome rates!) unless I wanted to buy a pallet of grinders.
Yes, after you mentioned if a couple of times I started to look into it and everything I've read so far is very positive.
UPDATE: Unfortunately, Ceado isn't available in Canada so WLL is the only option in North America. Even if I was willing to chance WLL, they don't carry the black version which I think looks the best. I checked into dealing with Ceado directly but their shipping rates aren't cost effective (Reiss gets awesome rates!) unless I wanted to buy a pallet of grinders.
What you are talking about is a "Group Buy" directly from Ceado? Interesting thought but are there enough people in Canada that would want one in BLACK?
I'm doubtful if there are enough people and it just seems like too much of a hassle anyway. I may just have to wait until I can afford the Terranova machine.
Saw this Ceado E37 on a Canadian vendor's web site.
http://www.idrinkcoffee.com/Ceado_E37S_Electronic_Burr_Grinder_p/cg-cea-e37s.htm
Is it the one you are referring to?
Doug
Net weight 12 kg
Gross weight 14.5 kg
I wonder what makes the difference. The hopper can not be 2.5kg. Is the box 2.5kg?
Not sure. I have purchased from them before and would do so again.....But...they are not all that consistent and meticulous about posting specs and so on. I usually go to the manufacturers sites for that kind of stuff.
Hi Doug,
Yeah, I noticed that too. They used to sell Ceado and then stopped for while but I guess they are adding them again. These guys are the Canadian version of WLL so some people have bad experiences and others are happy. Given the earlier issues with Ceado's electrical and my previous experience with this retailer, I won't be buying from them. If I decided to buy a mass produced grinder, I think Compak would be the best bet and perhaps the E10.
Doug, did you ever purchase the E37s?
http://www.feima.com.tw/index.php?route=common/home
No, I never did buy a Ceado grinder. I remain content with my HG 1 and the portafilter holder that you made for me.
Cheers
Don't be surprised if we add them to our line up at some point
They are very good grinders, with their own burr set and i am told, machined and set to tight tolerances
At some point i will send one or two down to the bottom of the world here to play with and see if i can make the numbers work
They have a floating burr that compensates for the thermal expansion of the shaft as the motor transmits heat up the shaft, and whilst this is less of an issue in a domestic setting it is a significant issue for a commercial environment
They are also really decent guys to deal with and are a small independent manufacturer
I had the E37, smaller burred version of the E37s, and only had one electrical problem that I am sure Ceado has fixed by now.
The biggest problem I had was with the retailer in the USA and their business practices. Reiss, you have an impeccable business ethic and if you start selling these grinders it will be welcome news to me!
Thanks for Posting this business update :-)
I see that Bella Barista sells them with the short hopper which I think is a great idea.